MSP: RI can survive until 2016

Russell Steele • Published 3 Nov 2011 17:00 36 Comments

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KEY MEETING: Stuart McMilan.

A LOCAL MSP says he has 'won a key concession' from the Scottish Government about the future of crisis-hit Riverside Inverclyde.

The SNP's Stuart McMillan held talks with the minister responsible for RI this afternoon, after it was revealed the regeneration outfit's cash would be cut before being stopped completely

Mr McMillan says he has been assured by Alex Neil that RI will survive beyond 2013 and be 'able to bid for government funding up until 2015/16'.

The minister has told Mr McMillan that, thereafter, the assets of RI will be transferred to another organisation.

Mr McMillan said: "I would like to thank the cabinet secretary for agreeing to meet me so soon after I made the request to do so yesterday.

"I think this shows the importance the Cabinet Secretary places upon the regeneration of Inverclyde and wider Scotland.

"The cabinet secretary agreed with me that Inverclyde has made positive strides due to the work of RI.

"He has listened to my arguments and provided me with an assurance that RI will continue up until the end of its natural life - 2015/16.

"Riverside Inverclyde will get funding for next year and thereafter they will be in a position to bid for funds from the new government regeneration strategy that will be introduced.

"The news yesterday will have come as a shock to everyone but I am delighted the cabinet secretary has listened to my arguments and conceded on the future of RI.

"Acting decisively and pushing Inverclyde's case forward was the right course of action to take here.

"I am elected to play my part in moving Inverclyde forward and will always fight Inverclyde's corner."

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8i6daddy
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Nov 3, 17:38
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Is this another attempt to convince us that SNP is the way forward? I have to admit it's beginning to get me thinking.. and I'm English!! lol

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AuldHabbie
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Nov 3, 18:01
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Money is tight and a lot of organisations will either lose out totally it have funding reduced. The Labour Party and their apologists continue to airbrush out the fact that their incestuous relationship with the bankers, their easing of banking regulations and massive overspending in the UK's public services made the recession in the U.K. worse than it should be. Not only Scotland, but the devolved Governments of Wales & Northern Ireland are having their budgets massively reduced as a result. Cuts have to happen otherwise we will end up like Greece; we seen't far off that position now. Labour keep saying, " it wisnae us, a big boy did it and ran away". Well, folk know it was them that caused it and that the ConDems are making it worse. However, unless cuts are made we're all in deep, deep trouble. So stop playing fantasy politics Labour and face up to the mess the UK is in.

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ChrisLeigh
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Nov 3, 18:11
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So...RI will survive past next year provided they can successfully bid in for funding from other government sources. Considering the amount of times the council has had to bail them out up til now I would think next year will see the last of them. Bringing money in hasnt been their strong point. This is not the hammer blow for the area we are being presented with, and party political point scoring shouldnt get in the way of that. I would guess part of the reason their funding has been cut where other URCs hasnt is because its been proved on paper that they have failed to deliver. In which case, good riddance. And as none of them are local, there will be no local jobs lost as a result of this closure. Did they have anything to do with Fergusons getting their new contract? Because thats the sort of measurable impact a regeneration company should be making.

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AuldHabbie
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Nov 3, 18:35
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Chris Leigh:

I agree with everything you say. Value for money, sustainable jobs created and long term projects delivered on time and within budget are the criteria used in deciding whether further funding of organisations like RI should happen. The liklihood is that RI has failed to measure up on all these points, hence no value add, no money.

My political points in my earlier response were driven by a frustration by the usual mantra I hear from Labour politicians all over the U.K.

As for your question about whether RI were involved in Fergusons winning the £20m order, the short answer is no. It was the Scottish Government working with Fergusons who secured it.

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yvoynix
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Nov 3, 18:50
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If RI are failing to deliver it shouldn't be propped up on the basis that a couple of Labour MPs, the odd Labour Councillor and a local newspaper will cause bad publicity for the Scottish Government. Because let's face it, the SNP are never going to win this seat anyway.

Do we really want our money squandered on the 'administration' of some quango and pretty nice things like a marina and new signs? Don't play politics, it's real investment we want (like today's announcement at Ferguson's) not papering the cracks with nice wallpaper. I hope that any future money given will based on RI delivering results with having a sensible plan and transparent operations.

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Tiddles
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Nov 3, 19:21
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Ah Stuart, you are doing you best but could you not have seen to it that any funding going to this swill bin is at least ring fenced? Could you not even consider some kind of investigation into the affairs of RI?

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WeeJockW
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Nov 3, 20:03
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Nae harm to you Stuart, but the sooner this Quasi Autonomous whitever is given the heave ho the better.

Inverclyde needs real investment not another ble*ding quango, hoovering up funds in order to set up offices and so begin it's own little empire.

How about setting up a local MSP with some staff and lets see what they can bring to the area in the way of jobs and investments. In that way you do away with the quango, have someone at local level responsible to not only the parliament but to the people as well. Might mean oor wee Dunky having to go out and actually work for the area.

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lorisara
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Nov 3, 20:40
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One of the best resources which Inverclyde can tap into is its music scene - already vibrant in small sections all over the region - This was demonstrated at Tall Ships 3 day event which helped bring a lot of much needed revenue and tourist spend to the town - and showcased some of our best musical talent of all ages and genres

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rod2mc
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Nov 3, 21:10
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"This was demonstrated at Tall Ships 3 day event which helped bring a lot of much needed revenue and tourist spend to the town"

Really?????? I must have missed the part where the revenue came to the town. Either that or you are sorely mistaken. Unless of course you happen to have a yard near the event so that you could charge £15 to all the scalps that came your way!

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Gregor
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Nov 4, 00:25
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So they will survive a year. And MAY get funding after that..... Given that statement it is plausible to say they may NOT get the funding. The SNP chap is just playing a wee silly word game. He is thinking about his seat and the money it gives him (including expenses and free dinners).

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Gregor
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Nov 4, 00:31
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We are to tap into out "music scene"? Oh f*** off. So how many jobs will we get by doing the aforesaid?

Lorisara must live in somewhere like Kilmalcolm and will sure not be unemployed.

Stuart, I have a Masters degree. Your silly word game does not work. Honestly we can all see it for what it is.

As for this quango,k what did it bring us? HOW many jobs? HOW MANY? How much money given to it went to officials and wages/expenses/freebies? How much went to LOCAL businesses? How much did they spend on the like of leaflets and so on? HOW MANY JOBS DID IT CREATE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CREATED ANYWAY? How many of their officials live in Inverclyde?

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Si67
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Nov 4, 11:50
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Personal opinion, but when will we stop relying on groups of politicians with no business or project experience to waste our money. Private sector companies should be contracted to regenerate areas like the Sugar Shed, marina etc. At least if they eff it up they are accountable by contract and we'd know who spent the money.

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Tiddles
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Nov 4, 12:35
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I agree with you Si67, why should Scotland's taxpayers pay to give old Wilson and his pals nice meals and junketty trips? I do have to wonder why that greedy megalith, Clydeport didn't do something with JWD rather than selling it on, could it be that they knew it was a money pit and jumped at the chance to sell it off to RI knowing how daft they were and how much of our money they had to p*** up a wall?

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Gregor
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Nov 4, 14:51
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The RI will survive? That's not the point. How much money will they get from the so called executive is the point. Does the SNP think we are thick? These silly word games will not suffice.

As for the sugar sheds, they have told us tripe and more tripe about them for YEARS. The same story over and over and over....

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Gregor
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Nov 4, 14:52
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A marina and fancy boats at the James Watt Dock? How many jobs will that create? HOW MANY?

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Gregor
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Nov 4, 14:53
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And how many junkets did RI officials get out of it? WHERE did the money they got go to? Whose bank book did it end up in?

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samfraegreenock
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Nov 5, 09:56
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Gregor - If you care to look you'll see not all (if any) of the boats are "fancy" whatever that means. - The marina is doing good business, marinas tend to attract more small businesses to service the boat-owners, hence creating jobs.

Have a look at Holy Loch Marina, which hasn't been going all that long.

In the Clyde Estuary area, there is a shortage of marina berths, thats why there's a bit of investment going on. New one at Portavadie is growing too.

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SAR819
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Nov 5, 19:11
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Yes what employment have they generated in local workers Virtually none.

Scotts old dry dock being the oldeest in the world is still a SIGHT FOR SORE EYES.

What have the regeneration done to promote the past of the once shipbuilding and engineering works in the area including suger refinarys. NONE.

also who in inverclyde can aford a boat in the new marina NONE,

Total waste of goverment grants do something for the people of Inverclyde instead of outside workers and PENPUSHERS.

BUT our elected councelors have to hang their heads in shame because they also have done nothing about our heritages.

So much for represtenting various wards thay are in it for the MONEY and dont let them tell you different.

We had a councellor who became a MSP who in his years NEVER held a surgery.

Just what do they do apart from their pay and expences plus the use of a freebee nobile phone.

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echosounder
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Nov 5, 21:00
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What gives with this forum? The majority don't want this quango - get shot of them, or shoot them NOW. Never mind they might get funding later. Give them bu..er all and give them it NOW

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samfraegreenock
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Nov 6, 11:00
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SAR819 -I know quite a few Inverclyde residents who keep their boat in the new marina PLUS many others who keep theirs in Inverkip Marina too

But don't you let the facts get in the way of a good rant

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rod2mc
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Nov 6, 15:49
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Sam

The point being, that the vast majority of inverclyde residents neither need or want a new marina.

What benefit will a new marina bring to the people?????????

Who will it serve????? Ok a few residents might be in a position to use such a facility, but for the vast majority???????

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samfraegreenock
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Nov 6, 17:45
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rod2mc

As the marina grows it will provide jobs, many small businesses can grow up around marinas, as I have already pointed out, look at Holy Loch Marina and see what I mean.

It could be said that the vast majority of Inverclyde residents don't want a lot of things, but how do you or anyone else really know - have you asked them?

For example, did the vast majority of Inverclyde residents signal their OK for the following:

1) Fireworks Display

2) Tall-ships Event

3) New sports arena at Parklea

4) Possible new road system in Gourock

The new marina is there to fill a need, if it was empty with no interest being shown in it, I would agree with you BUT it is very popular and employing some folk too. Just because you don't see a need, doesn't mean the vast majority agree with you - unless you have asked them, that is - knowing inverclyde folk, they are probably apathetic anyroads.

* I do not own a boat, so no vested interest in this marina by me

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myfindhorn
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Nov 7, 00:37
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I thought the East India harbour filled the need of local wee boat owners, until it was taken over, thankfully they are now back in the harbour as Clydeport dosn,t own the water or moorings within the harbour, thus allowing the boatmen their rightful place.

As for RI, who cares what they are doing, there is nothing else they can destroy in this town. I only hope and pray that the people get their act together and vote for a council that cares for the town and not their own pockets.

The Greenock council have been the enemy within for too long and it is time for a full investigation by the Scottish Goverment , in fact it is time the people demanded a investigation into the mismanagement of funds and assets.

Besides the council, RI and Scottish enterprise have all done their best to bring Inverclyde to its knees and no doubt Clydeport and others will be the benefactors of our lazy ways of showing no interest in our town until we begin to feel the pinch and by then it is to late to say........IF ONLY.

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rod2mc
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Nov 7, 10:16
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Sam

How many jobs? I wouldnt think a marina would generate that many jobs. There is already a few businesses doing well at the moment in regards to marine engineering, Building another marina will only dilute that workforce and saturate that particular market.

Does the cost of a new marina justify a few jobs cos lets be honest it wouldnt be that many.

Lets get onto your next point

Firewroks display - I dont see many people objecting to the fireworks display and if you had been at it on Saturday night you would have seen the amount of people at the event, not what I would call an unwanted event.

Tall Ships - As far as I know everyone wanted the tall ships to come back. The problem this time round was RI and Sail Inverclyde, who turned what should have been a great event for the town into a bit of a farce.

Sports Arena at Parklea - Dont see many people up in arms against this either. Its not like it wont be well used by the residents of the area. Again, this does bring benefit or would we prefer our kids to play football in the streets. Plus they are mutli sport surfaces, so it not like they cant be used for anything else.

Possible new roads system for Gourock - when was the last time you drive through Gourock????????? I cant wait for it to happen, its about time so improvements were made to Gourock. Kempock street is a nightmare, cracking idea if you ask me, and I dont see many people up in arms about it either TBH.

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samfraegreenock
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Nov 7, 16:15
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Au contraire -

The marina is a business partially funded by R.I, a friend of mine runs a start up business at Holy Loch Marina,as a marine engineering outfit specialising in outboards/inboards etc - they are stacked out with work, so much so there are 6/7 working there now including newly started trainees, at Kip Marina, there are many people employed directly and in-directly at marina.

Fireworks Display - amount of people - was it the "majority" of Inverclyde folk, perhaps that majority who don't want a marina?

Can you provide any empirical evidence to satisfy your position of the will of the majority of Inverclyde folks want or don't want, otherwise we could go back and forward saying the "majority" want this or that.

All the other examples are the same, they fit a chunk of the population but you can't please or satisfy everyone(or indeed most) all or even most of the time.

Personally speaking I know more folks who will use the new arts guild and marina than I do who will visit Parklea.

I drive through Gourock virtually every day at least twice, sometimes more, rather than a new road perhaps better traffic management and law enforcement would help rather than some possibly ill-planned over-cost new road system

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rod2mc
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Nov 7, 17:05
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Spoken liek the Greek PM Sam, lets have a referendum eh and waste more of our money!!!

The JWD is not the Holy Loch btw. If I had an expensive motor yacht you can be damned sure it wouldnt be berthed at JWD.

Additionally, a lot of small boat owners will not be able to afford the rates and will continue to berth their boats in Cardwell bay etc as they do at present. So I cant see this bringing any benefit to the ordinary Inverclyde resident.

How many jobs Sam????????? Are the people who would use this marina not able to hire the businesses in Gourock and Inverkip to do their repairs and such???

We all ready have a cracking Marina in Inverkip and one in Largs, yeah we're really in need of a new one.

Fireworks, I think it was well orgainsed and appreciated by the folks who went, (must have been quite a few thousand)

You drive through Gourock, good for you. The people in Gourock want this to happen, maybe not what is being planned at present but they do want it.

Parklea - as I kid I played at Parklea lots of times and im sure most people who were involved in football at a young age have also played there, so that kind of scuppers that point.

Do you have any good reasons for another marina being opened in Inverclyde???? You know, anything solid???

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samfraegreenock
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Nov 7, 18:02
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The Clyde area is in need of marina berths, @ 2000 berths required I think (if memory serves)

"Scotland

In Scotland there is a formal economic development policy to encourage investment in the creation of resort marinas [8]. The number of resort marinas opening up in Scotland has increased dramatically in recent years and this trend looks set to continue for the foreseeable future. Scotland supports tourism investment by providing an environment in which new concepts and innovation will flourish.

Scotland’s sailing sector has an estimated tourism spend of over £248m per annum.

Sailing visitors spend substantial amounts of money, with an overall average daily spend of £125.

There are substantial investment opportunities available in resort marina development in Scotland. A business climate supportive of growth and an enthusiastic political administration are other reasons for investing in Scottish spa and resort marina developments.

Excellent facilities and the opportunity for sailors to test their abilities in varied conditions have made Scotland one of the top sailing destinations in the world. The sailing conditions in Scotland are suitable for both experienced sailors and beginners.

Over 1000 new pontoon berths are either in planning or in development at present, but further marina infrastructure is required and provision of berths may need to double in the next 10 years to meet demand."

http://www.insights.org.uk/articleitem.aspx?title=Marinas:%20The%20Tourism%20Aspect%20of%20Leisure%20Boating

http://www.sdi.co.uk/~/media/SDI/Files/documents/tourism/opportunities-in-tourism-investment.ashx

Have a look at the boats in the marina, they are not all "expensive" - which is a rather subjective term anyways. The facilities so far are pretty basic but it is early days - Rome wasn't built in a day.

Marina jobs will grow - not thousands, but there will be some, remember Kip marina started out from nothing.

What I was getting at was that there's no pint in saying teh majority want this, that or don't want this or that when there's nothing to back it up.

I've no doubt whatsoever a couple of thousand folk may have enjoyed the fireworks, at the battery park, but that is not the majority.

Most people I know in Gourock agree that traffic is an issue but I haven't met one yet who thinks this plan is the right fix for that

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Tiddles
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Nov 7, 21:03
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Well up to now sam, I was happily going along with your interesting points but when you referred to, "resort marinas" you lost me. By NO stretch of the imagination could the JWD and Greenock be described as a resort, last resort would be more appropriate. I noticed a few motor-cruisers and several sailing yachts berthed when I passed the other day. For the life of me, I cannot understand why anybody would want to berth anything there let alone an expensive gin-palace. I suspect, and I'm open to correction, these 'popular berths' are sold very cheaply indeed and undercut Kip and Largs by a long shot. This might explain why there is this, 'attraction' to the less than charming aspects of this manky haven. False economy in my view and I do hope these erstwhile mariners have understanding insurers, assuming they actually have insurance, when their fine vessels are ransacked or consigned to the oily depths.

As to canvassing the opinions of the people of Inverclyde, every day, I see a very large cross-section of the population. Virtually all of them are tired of the froth and anodyne gibberish thrown at them by the council and this newspaper. What they want is prosperity for the area again, real jobs and prospects for their children and grandchildren. No amount of pie in the sky, 'jobs' in a 'might be' marina or ego trips like the Tall Ships will suffice for them. As to the Gourock road? Well, I'll wait to see how that pans out if it ever does.

And rod, I remember the old Parklee, perhaps we sunk the boot into each other back then? :)

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samfraegreenock
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Nov 8, 09:23
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Hi Tiddlesd - it was not me referring to "resort marinas" but the article I quoted to show demand for marina berths.

I do agree that the JWD would be hard pushed to be described as a resort - but similar was no doubt said about the docks areas in Liverpool & London too.

Yes indeed the marina berths at JWD are cheaper than Kip or Largs - it wouldn't be hard to do that mind you. To a certain extent you get what you pay for, at JWD currently its somewhere to berth your boat and security is provided - time will tell no doubt how effective that will be.

If you do not insure your boat then more fool the owner - it's not a legal requirement, currently, on the Clyde and most other places to carry insurance but it is coming..

I too have been down to JWD, the boats to me do not seem like floating gin palaces, more like boat-owners looking for somewhere reasonably priced for their not really expensive boats - plenty of floating gin-palaces at kip.

"Canvassing public-opinion" - I do not claim to know the views of the "vast majority" of the population are on any things mentioned previously but I do agree 100% with this

"Virtually all of them are tired of the froth and anodyne gibberish thrown at them by the council and this newspaper. What they want is prosperity for the area again, real jobs and prospects for their children and grandchildren."

But lets face it though - it isn't going to happen - to get that level of employment opportunities, something manufacturing based is required - there's no chance of that happening as the UK is to expensive costs wise. Anyone who thinks large scale amounts of jobs are coming Inverclyde's way is seriously deluded.

We have to encourage small-businesses to expand, maybe taking on a few people, this is what has happened at Holy Loch Marina - a colleagues business is going from strength to strength, so much so that they have nearly trebled their workforce.

There are many "niches" Inverclyde can and needs to exploit and in a lot of them small-businesses can do it and do it well.

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Tiddles
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Nov 8, 15:16
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Yes sam, you make many valid points but comparing Greenock and the JWD with London and Liverpool just doesn't stand up. Both of those are large cities with lots to offer in terms of infrastructure and facilities. I still do not see how building this so-called marina for people looking for cheap berths will make a jot of difference to the plight of the area. What really bothers me is that my hard earned taxes are being squandered to provide a haven for people who can't/won't afford to pay to berth in a real marina. That is NOT value for money for us all. Lately I have wondered whether anyone from RI has a boat??

The Holy Loch is a beautiful spot and well worth visiting if you don't mind being irradiated but I am sincerely glad that your friend is turning a few bob. The same cannot ever been said about Greenock. A marina in Gourock might just have a chance but like most plans involving that place, they'll never happen.

I had a cruiser based in Largs marina for a number of years but between the cost, lack of spare time and the fact that it seemed to be run by people who thought they were the Lords of the Admiralty (I had had enough of them!) I sold it and moved on.

RI should never have bought the JWD, it is a money pit. I could just hear the champagne corks popping in the board room when Clydeport off loaded it to RI.

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samfraegreenock
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Nov 8, 20:26
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The comparison with Liverpool & London was to show that "deprived" areas can be turned round.

My preference would be for the "sugar sheds" to be the Scottish Tate GAllery - due to links with sugar trade but nae chance of that happening.

My pals business at Holy Loch isn't making a fortune by any means, but it does employ his two lads, plus a good few other folk and is expanding, mainly due to hard work and delivering what people want - good service at a good price.

One thing I do agree with is the fact that maybe Gourock would have been a better place for a marina - some good plans for one at Cardwell Bay area @ 20+ years ago or so - but as you say grandiose schemes but thee's always some nippy sweetie whose sole aim seems to be to put the kybosh on such things.

Apathy in Inverclyde is the main "stopper" of anything decent happening - it sometimes seems as most folk in Inverclyde "cannae be ersed" to want or seek better.

Maybe it's because there's an element, sometimes perpetuated by certain "contributors" on here that anyone with a highly paid job or business are just scum - the politics of envy are just as bad as the politics of greed.

It must be apathy as just look at who our elected representatives are....................

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Tiddles
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Nov 8, 21:50
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I have a highly paid job and I'm not scum, at least I wasn't last time I looked. Although, strangely the other day a fine young man intent upon persuading me to prescribe him some sedatives, screamed similar epithets at me when I declined to so assist him. He seemed quite nonplussed when I expressed the view that his methadone was more than enough to be going along with. Your last line says it all when asked, "Are you being served?" we should reply, "No, we blo*dy well aren't"!!!!

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samfraegreenock
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Nov 8, 22:02
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I sympathise with too

1) I'm self-employed with my own business apparently I don't give stuff about anyone and only pay minimum wage and exploit folks, I don't live in Kilmacolm.

2) My lad is the poor sod of a pharmacist who has to deal with these rapscallions too, although not in Inverclyde - but alas he's probably, according to sum, scum for earning to much and not dishing out enough "happy pills" either

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RabTheGab
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Nov 9, 18:18
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Phew !

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rod2mc
293 posts
Nov 10, 22:18
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Ive no problem with a private venture, if someone wants to buy the dock and turned into a marina then good luck to them. I just don't want public money used to fund it!

Tiddles, but you could only slide tackle in the one direction at parklea, providing you were playing down the slope!!!!!!!!!

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samfraegreenock
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Nov 11, 14:47
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Public money is used to underwrite/subsidise/back many private ventures. I fail to see what's up with this one, considering the amount of public money is pretty small compared to say money spent on PFI schemes, Olympic & commonwealth games - the list is endless

Just look at all the pseudo-quangoes that rise and fall locally with jobs for the short-term, like local internet radio stations, diversity and social inclusion tripe etc

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